What is your Plan C? Interview with Bernhard Vierling of consulting.art & friends
Bernhard Vierling, director of consulting.art & friends, believes creative performance can be a cathartic process to reach deeper knowledge, the terrain of cognita. He observes in IETM (International Network for Contemporary Performing Arts) meeting in Berlin, the outcome of this meeting is not really a Plan C but rather feeling good about each other. In other words, to know we are not each other’s opponents in the competition of resources.
In this interview he points out the paradox in reality is constantly present, we can have the beautiful sky in Berlin while a misty cloud in Iceland is stopping all the air traffic in the world. The crisis is there and not there at the same time. With such paradoxical reality, how is it possible for cultural workers to understand or address the real crisis?
Central Questions
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What are we willing to lose to know what we don’t know?
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If there is no market for art, is art worth nothing?
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With the luxury of internet, industrialization, and colonization, when addressing global issues, are we speakng form our golden castle? Can we really understand proverty from our richness?
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How is it possible to understand The Other?
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Do we really experience some kind of crisis or is what we experience more the FEAR of crisis?
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Is our fear bigger than the crisis itself?
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Under the pressure of being politically correct of the system, are we really free to speak?
About Plan C
On 15th of April, 2010, IETM (International Network for Contemporary Performing Arts) invited over 500 cultural operators and performing artists from over 50 countries to come to Berlin for four days to find new ways of dealing with crucial conflicts and challenges in our world. The invitation says: “Having tried Plans A and B, from Capitalism to Communism,... we are now searching for a third way... A Plan C to turn the crisis of this new century into a chance for culture. It is not a contradiction – chaos and creation are close comrades and between cooperation and competition we have to find the right centre.” (Creative Crisis Economy by Dirk Pilz). Having a long term interest in creating new economic models for sustaining creative practices, I was invited by IETM to participate in their meeting and encouraged to lead a session during the ‘Open Camp’. For 2010LAB.tv, I will post four different personal interviews with the following people and conclude with an article about the concept of Plan C in relation to the value chain of artistic thinking and creative process.
Part 1: Mary Ann DeVlieg, IETM Secretary General, Brussels
Part 2: Phelim McDermott, Improbable Theater, London
Part 3: Jochen Sandig, Folkert Uhde, Bettna Sluzalek, Radialsystem V, Berlin
Part 4: Bernhard Vierling, Consulting Arts and Friends, Berlin
Part 5: What Is My Plan C?
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Reply to Jade's comment on 12.06.2010
Dear Jade,
Thank you for following the interview, I appreciate your comment as it gives me the opportunity to explain further my position as an interviewer.
First, it is true that there was very little research done about Bernard Vierling because there is no need. As stated clearly in the introduction, this is not a personal interview about Bernard, the purpose for this interview is to give an overview of how cultural workers cope with crisis we are facing today.
I met Bernard at the IETM meeting, we didn't know each other before. During our brief encounter, I found Bernard's observation about IETM meeting was honest and sincere, therefore, I invited him to share his insights through this interview.
Secondly, I am not worried about your comment about me as an interviewer. However, I am concerned about your comment about Bernard because I respect and appreciate his contribution very much. You have the choice to dislike or disagree with Bernard's comment, in fact, to take one step further, I would like to invite you to share your critical input with regards to the questions I have addressed in this interview. I am curious to learn more about you and your point of view on these topics.
Or, if you have better questions you want to address to me or Bernard, please share them with us. I am happy to learn from you how to conduct good interviews.
Looking forward hearing from you,
I-Wei
The interviewer is dreadful,
The interviewer is dreadful, there was little evidence that they actually researched Bernard Vieling - they even had to ask Vierling how to pronounce his own name, it was just embarrasing. They lacked enthusiasm to the nth degree, Vierling sounded just as bored as I was!
win culture
what are willing to loose if culture is no plan, but paradox?
is the insight in paradox necessary to cope with a paradox?
If understanding is an neverending process and never finished, why start it ? Oder: Ist das nicht sehr verintellektualisiert? Nur scheinbar real am Leben?